Gateway P-7811 FX: We've Got Upgrades
by Jarred Walton on August 15, 2008 5:00 AM EST- Posted in
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Mobility Marathon
Cranking out the fastest performance in applications or games is one measure of a good notebook, but honestly it's not the standard by which many users select their laptops. For many, size and weight as well as battery life are going to be the more important areas when purchasing a laptop. Hopefully it's already obvious that the Gateway P-series FX laptops are not going to be great candidates when it comes to size, and battery life is also generally disappointing. Some of the lower-end models ship with integrated graphics and can offer reasonably good battery life, but they're still a very large chassis to lug around. What's more, the battery protrudes about an inch and a half out the rear of the chassis, making the laptop seem even larger. You will definitely want to pay attention to your choice of carrying case if you want to use it with the P-series; we have a couple 17" notebook bags that can't hold these notebooks (even with the battery removed).
Returning to the question we want to answer, does the switch to DDR3 and a P8400 - both of which lower power requirements - have a noticeable impact on battery life and power requirements? Of course, the lower power CPU and memory may be offset by a more power hungry GPU in some cases, but as long as you're not running a 3D application we expect the P-7811 to surpass the previously tested FX notebooks.
Power Requirements
Power draw (measured at the outlet) does indeed drop with the P-7811 relative to the P-6831. The P-171XL really wasn't in the running, given the second hard drive and X7900 CPU. Particularly in the 100% CPU load test, we see a massive benefit from the P8400 and DDR3; the P-7811 uses 13W less than the P-6831 (a 23% difference). In the maximum load test, where we tax both the CPU and GPU, the 7811 does use 9W more than the 6831; that's somewhat expected, however, as you can't generate a maximal GPU load without a faster CPU. In gaming power draw (not shown) the two systems are pretty much tied.
Battery Life
Of course, power requirements when a laptop is plugged in don't necessarily reflect power requirements when a laptop is on battery power. Hardware can provide better performance when plugged in and better battery life when in power saving mode, and the 9800M and P8400 should both provide such an advantage. For our battery life testing, we have now switched to running all laptops at around 100 nits brightness. Differences between displays and brightness adjustments mean we are not always at exactly 100 nits, but the range is 90-110 nits in all cases. If you choose to run your LCD at maximum brightness, you may lose anywhere from 10 to 60 minutes depending on the laptop - the latter is mostly for ultra-mobile options while the former is for gaming notebooks.
In terms of battery life, the P-7811 shows some significant improvements over the 6831 and 171XL. Clearly, the DDR3 and 25W TDP processor are doing their job, with P-7811 battery life improving by up to 58% over the lower performing P-6831. Our three test scenarios test DVD playback, web surfing (using the wireless adapter), and a best-case idle benchmark where we simply unplug the laptop and let it sit. Keep in mind that even light use of the laptop should reduce the battery life from our idle scenario, so it is purely a high water mark.
With the P8400 (and Centrino 2) offering improved deep sleep states over the previous Santa Rosa refresh, the largest improvements are found in the idle test. DVD playback improves by an equally impressive 50%, and Internet surfing improves by 34%. Two and a half hours of battery life for movies or surfing is certainly nothing exceptional compared to some laptops, but for a gaming laptop it's actually one of the best results we've seen.
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JarredWalton - Tuesday, August 19, 2008 - link
Gateway doesn't offer the option to custom configure laptops; what they do offer is about 8 notebooks that use the same base design, with different options and prices. Right now, the P-7811 is the only model using DDR3 and 9800M GTS, but there will likely be other models in the future.http://www.gateway.com/systems/series/529598056.ph...">P-series Reference Page
okron1k - Thursday, August 21, 2008 - link
thank you, i have been to that page already but i am going to look it over again. i am most likely going to be buying this laptop in the next few weeks. i just don't know of any other place where i can get something similarly spec'd for even close to the same price.Engage - Monday, August 18, 2008 - link
Any word on when/if and to what degree Gateway might be going to upgrade the P-173XL FX Edition?JarredWalton - Monday, August 18, 2008 - link
Well, the P-173XL is already pretty well equipped. It has 2x200GB HDD, WUXGA (non-glossy I think?), 4GB RAM, and a T8300, plus 4GB DDR2. So it should be a bit slower on the CPU than the T-7811, and the 8800M GTS GPU is a bit slower as well, but you get more HDD space and performance. You also don't get an early PM45 chipset and BIOS. Still, I would assume in the near future Gateway will migrate most of their P-series FX parts to the PM45 with 9800 GTS platform.strikeback03 - Monday, August 18, 2008 - link
Adobe is very likely to release the next generation of their applications (CS4?) this fall, which will probably be 64-bit as LightRoom 2 is.Jarred has mentioned before that he is editor for other articles, does someone else edit his work, or is he using (Ed.) to insert comments into his own article?
JarredWalton - Monday, August 18, 2008 - link
I "ed" myself. So do some of the other editors at times (Gary). It's more of an "insert personal comment that isn't necessarily a direct part of the review" thing - or for humor at times. Don't take away my artistic license, dammit! :-)Hrel - Sunday, August 17, 2008 - link
Since I never run anything over 1440x900 I don't want to be forced to pay for a screen that costs more money when I see no benefit from that high of a resolution; not to mention it would make everything too small. Gateway needs more user customization on their website; like HP. Also, you can't say with a straight face that anyone needs a gaming laptop? What wrong with you? If you expect to be able to play current games on a laptop you bought 4 years ago you need a gaming laptop; even though you'll be playing those new games on min settings. Who doesn't need a gaming laptop? Who doesn't play games when they're away from the house if they have the ability?strikeback03 - Monday, August 18, 2008 - link
I think the point was that with the possible exception of some people who work in the gaming industry, not many people NEED to be able to play games.I'm with Jarred on wanting the highest resolution LCD available, so we both agree that they need more customization options.
spuddyt - Saturday, August 16, 2008 - link
I want one A LOT!!!! but i'm in the UK, so i'm effectively screwed and am just going to end up getting some crappy dell POS....MamiyaOtaru - Saturday, August 16, 2008 - link
I would never buy a laptop with a glossy screen. I'd rather look at what I'm working on (or playing with) than a reflection. Glossy screens are idiotic bling for idiots. Unfortunately mot people are idiots, as glossy screens sell better from stores than matte (it's shiny!).