NVIDIA Demonstrates Logan SoC: < 1W Kepler, Shipping in 1H 2014, More Energy Efficient than A6X?
by Anand Lal Shimpi on July 24, 2013 9:00 AM ESTPower Consumption
There's a lot of uncertainty around whether or not Kepler is suitable for ultra low power operation, especially given that we've only seen it in relatively high TDP (compared to tablets/smartphones) PCs. NVIDIA hoped to put those concerns to rest with a quick GLBenchmark 2.7 demo at Siggraph. The demo pitted an iPad 4 against a Logan development platform, with Logan's Kepler GPU clocked low enough to equal the performance of the iPad 4. The low clock speed does put Kepler at an advantage as it can run at a lower voltage as well, so the comparison is definitely one you'd expect NVIDIA to win.
Unlike Tegra 3, Logan includes a single voltage rail that feeds just the GPU. NVIDIA instrumented this voltage rail and measured power consumption while running the offscreen 1080p T-Rex HD test in GLB2.7. Isolating GPU power alone, NVIDIA measured around 900mW for Logan's Kepler implementation running at iPad 4 performance levels (potentially as little as 1/5 of Logan's peak performance). NVIDIA also attempted to find and isolate the GPU power rail going into Apple's A6X (using a similar approach to what we documented here), and came up with an average GPU power value of around 2.6W.
I won't focus too much on the GPU power comparison as I don't know what else (if anything) Apple hangs off of its GPU power rail, but the most important takeaway here is that Kepler seems capable of scaling down to below 1W. In reality NVIDIA wouldn't ship Logan with a < 1W Kepler implementation, so we'll likely see higher performance (and power consumption) in shipping devices. If these numbers are believable, you could see roughly 2x the performance of an iPad 4 in a Logan based smartphone, and 4 - 5x the performance of an iPad 4 in a Logan tablet - in as little as 12 months from now if NVIDIA can ship this thing on time.
If NVIDIA's A6X power comparison is truly apples-to-apples, then it would be a huge testament to the power efficiency of NVIDIA's mobile Kepler architecture. Given the recent announcement of NVIDIA's willingness to license Kepler IP to any company who wants it, this demo seems very well planned.
NVIDIA did some work to make Kepler suitable for low power, but it's my understanding that the underlying architecture isn't vastly different from what we have in notebooks and desktops today. Mobile Kepler retains all of the graphics features as its bigger counterparts, although I'm guessing things like FP64 CUDA cores are gone.
Final Words
For the past couple of years we've been talking about a point in the future when it'll be possible to start playing console class games (Xbox 360/PS3) on mobile devices. We're almost there. The move to Kepler with Logan is a big deal for NVIDIA. It finally modernizes NVIDIA's ultra mobile GPU, bringing graphics API partity to everything from smartphones to high-end desktop PCs. This is a huge step for game developers looking to target multiple platforms. It's also a big deal for mobile OS vendors and device makers looking to capitalize on gaming as a way of encouraging future smartphone and tablet upgrades. As smartphone and tablet upgrade cycles slow down, pushing high-end gaming to customers will become a more attractive option for device makers.
Logan is expected to ship in the first half of 2014. With early silicon back now, I think 10 - 12 months from now is a reasonable estimate. There is the unavoidable fact that we haven't even seen Tegra 4 devices on the market yet and NVIDIA is already talking about Logan. Everything I've heard points to Tegra 4 being on the schedule for a bunch of device wins, but delays on NVIDIA's part forced it to be designed out. Other than drumming up IP licensing business, I wonder if that's another reason why we're seeing a very public demo of Logan now - to show the health of early silicon. There's also a concern about process node. Logan will likely ship at 28nm next year, just before the transition to 20nm. If NVIDIA is late with Logan, we could have another Tegra 3 situation where NVIDIA is shipping on an older process technology.
Regardless of process tech however, Kepler's power story in ultra mobile seems great. I really didn't believe the GLBenchmark data when I first saw it. I showed it to Ryan Smith, our Senior GPU Editor, and even he didn't believe it. If NVIDIA is indeed able to get iPad 4 levels of graphics performance at less than 1W (and presumably much more performance in the 2.5 - 5W range) it looks like Kepler will do extremely well in mobile.
Whatever NVIDIA's reasons for showing off Logan now, the result is something that I'm very excited about. A mobile SoC with NVIDIA's latest GPU architecture is exactly what we've been waiting for.
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mwildtech - Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - link
Mother of God....kukarachee - Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - link
True enough and agreed. Not really that impressive.More so considering nvidia's long history of misrepresenting power consumption and performance on upcoming parts. No doubt by the time we see this available and shipping there will be much better SOC options from the likes of Qualcomm etc.
Disappointing.
mmrezaie - Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - link
you have issues, man!dragonsqrrl - Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - link
haters gonna hateEWP - Wednesday, July 24, 2013 - link
Well said. In the mobile space nVidia has consistently fallen far short of their claims. Their CEO jus seems like such a blowhard with his long list of outrageous claims.kukarachee - Thursday, July 25, 2013 - link
Yes, we are almost certainly going to see another Tegra 4 play out here. Far over-promise and massively under-deliver.Tegra 4 has been an enormous bomb with sparse design wins to the point they threw most of what they had in a handheld Android gaming device that had to receive a $100 price cut before even hitting the market and it -STILL- is not selling with little interest in Shield, extending the failure of Tegra 4.
Tegra 4 has been crushed in the market by Samsung and Qualcomm and by the time we even see this part actually -available *AND* shipping- it will be already be old news like Tegra 4 was. Never mind that nvidia is getting their butt kicked in design wins for their SOCs by the Qualcomm monolith. Likely due to the failure and issues with Tegra 3 for units such as the Nexus which ditched nvidia for Qualcomm.
Tegra 4 is in nothing but a crappy over-heating tablet and a failed handheld gaming device sold by nvidia themselves. I expect the same for this part if they again can't manage to deliver on their promises -AS WELL- as deliver on time. Two things they have yet to manage...
Yojimbo - Friday, July 26, 2013 - link
Throughout its history, Nvidia has generally operated like a locomotive. Whenever they have entered a new sector they make a splash by making promises, and in the first couple generations they come up short of their promises. But with successive generations they've gained ground, and executed more consistently than their competitors, until they are among the leaders of the sector. It happened with desktop 3d graphics and with mainboard chipsets. There is stiff competition in the mobile SOC space, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss them there, either.michael2k - Friday, July 26, 2013 - link
Yet by your admission there is every reason to dismiss them until they catch up. The problem is that they are competing against three companies that have consistently executed for years now; PowerVR, Qualcomm, ARM, and Apple. They have to consistently outperform Apple and PowerVR if they wish to gain Apple's business, they have to consistently outperform ARM and PowerVR to gain Qualcomm's business, and they have done neither yet.Yojimbo - Friday, July 26, 2013 - link
My post was a reply to kukarachee's post. He is dismissing the announced generation out-of-hand because of their past relative performance in the sector. The important distinction here is that kukarachee is attempting to make a prediction about a future iteration based solely on Nvidia's previous results in this sector. My argument is that there is NOT every reason to dismiss Nvidia, because they have a track record of succeeding at playing that same game of catch up. I will admit that it's two conflicting track records, and one must decide which one applies in this instance, but I will certainly not admit that there is every reason to dismiss them until they catch up. Whichever track record you find more appropriate to pay attention to is your own choice, however.michael2k - Saturday, July 27, 2013 - link
There's no indication they've caught up yet, however. The PowerVR 6 was demonstrated at GDC, earlier this April, and is expected to be out shortly. Logan won't be out until next year, which means by definition it is going to be behind.