Dell DTR Laptop Shootout - M1710 vs. E1705
by Jarred Walton on May 30, 2006 1:30 PM EST- Posted in
- Laptops
System Design
As a whole, these laptops have a reasonable design. They are not meant to be incredibly small, which is essentially impossible once you add a 17 inch widescreen display. They target a market where people want a large display, very good CPU performance, and potentially a graphics solution that is excellent at gaming as well. Our opinion of the overall design is generally favorable, with some good points as well as a few areas that could have been improved.The case has an aluminum exterior, which adds durability while also keeping the weight down. If you've ever used a laptop with a plastic shell, you've probably noticed how pressure on the back of the display/lid can transfer to the screen itself. Some people have even broken LCDs when they accidentally dropped something on top of the case while the lid was closed. Obviously, if you drop something really heavy on the laptop, you're still going to break it. However, the aluminum backing to the display is definitely more durable than a plastic shell.
Speaking of the display, many of you are probably wondering how it performs. Unfortunately, laptop LCDs still fall behind their desktop counterparts in terms of performance. If you buy into all of the latest marketing hype (low response times, super high contrast ratios, etc.), the included LCD doesn't seem particularly impressive. It boasts a 25 ms TrTf response time (12 to 16 ms GTG), so if you have very sensitive eyes you will be able to notice motion blur when playing games. Personally, we never found it to present a serious problem, and at least in the case of the XPS M1710 the ability to play just about any current game at high detail settings more than outweighed any concerns we have with pixel response times.
Other aspects of the display could also be improved, however. Color uniformity was at best mediocre; the top and bottom of the display are definitely brighter than the center section, and even the center area shows some hot spots. Backlight leakage was also present, though honestly that is a problem on most notebook LCD panels we have seen recently. Even with all these comments about the display not being perfect, though, it's actually far better than most laptop displays that we have used or tested. Brightness levels are quite good, and Dell states that they've improved brightness levels by 30% over previous models (like the XPS M170). The maximum intensity is actually almost too bright for indoor use, but once you step outside into a natural sunlight setting it is definitely appreciated.
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Another area to discuss is the input devices - the keyboard and trackpad. Some of us really don't do well with small keyboards, so we were hoping to get much closer to a desktop-sized keyboard given that this has a 17 inch widescreen display. Unfortunately, the keyboard is the exact same as what Dell uses on their 15 inch laptops, and probably 14 inch models as well. You can see from the above image that there's a good 2 inches on each side of the keyboard that could have been used to increase the size as well as add a numeric keypad. It would have required moving the vents up slightly from their current position, and perhaps a few changes in the internals, but it's definitely possible. Did Dell stick with a uniform keyboard design in order to make transitioning from one model to another easier on their users, or did they merely try to cut costs? Perhaps there was a little of both, but cost was almost certainly a factor.
We discussed the integrated audio in the first M1710 article. I erroneously reported that you could configure both the headphone and microphone outputs for use with four speakers. While it is most likely a driver issue more than hardware, it turns out that you can only run headphones or 2.1 speakers along with the microphone. Given the size of the laptop, not to mention Dell touting the HD audio support, it really should have been simple to add a third audio jack so that people could use 5.1 speakers. An optical out connection would also be nice, for those that want to hook up the laptop to a properly equipped home theater system. If digital output were included, you could have a portable movie player that could easily become part of a larger home theater setup as needed. The $25 Audigy HD upgrade is also interesting, as it appears to be a simple software addition. Since you can't really take full advantage of the audio as is, we see no reason for anyone to spend the extra $25.
One final area to comment on is the default software configuration. Having received the M1710 first, it was actually a pleasurable experience. There was some extra software that we didn't really need, but overall there was very little "junk" that you normally see on OEM systems. If you look at the online configurator, there's even an option on the XPS systems that specifically says you don't want any extra software installed. Unfortunately, the Inspiron models do not come with that "luxury". The amount of pre-installed software that most people will never use is more than a little irritating for the typical computer power user that would purchase one of these systems. AOL, EarthLink, and a couple other Internet connection options are provided; the Google Toolbar as well as Google Desktop are also present, along with Wild Tangent (for a few games), and various other software.
Not all of the software is useless - the McAfee/PC-Cillin Internet Security software suites can certainly be useful - but you definitely get the impression that Dell is helping subsidize system costs by pre-installing all this software. (Probably because they are.) At the very least, users really deserve the ability to select a "clean" configuration when building their computer. Plenty of people would probably even pay $25-$50 extra for that right, but they really shouldn't have to. If you've been around computers for a while, you've probably already heard about the people who buy OEM systems and promptly wipe the hard drive once they arrive in order to get a clean OS installation. If you pay an extra $10, you can get a Windows XP CD with your system, which can be used for exactly that purpose. However, you then need to deal with downloading drivers, installing the operating system, and all of the other various tasks involved in properly configuring a system. On the bright side, it isn't actually necessary to format the hard drive in order to get rid of most of the software - all of the included programs can be uninstalled via the Add/Remove Programs function in the Control Panel.
While we're on the subject, it is important to note that some of our benchmarks required us to uninstall the vast majority of the included software. If you have never run BAPCo benchmarks, just trust us when we say that they really like to be run on a clean OS installation. Getting rid of all of the extras also helps to improve performance by as much as 15%. In other words, if you go out and purchase one of these laptops from Dell, we definitely recommend that you clean out anything that you have no intention of using.
We mentioned spending $10 extra above in order to get a genuine Windows XP/MCE disc with your computer. If you don't get one, you get a restore CD, but all Dell laptops also come with a recovery partition. Boot up the system, press Control + F11 when the blue www.Dell.com logo appears at the top of the screen, and you're presented with a Symantec Ghost restore utility. It only takes about 10 minutes to return the PC to its original shipping state, though of course you lose any data you've stored on the hard drive in the meantime. You will also end up downloading and patching your OS again did you go this route, but that's generally required whenever you reinstall Windows anyway. Some people might dislike giving up 5GB of their hard drive space for the recovery partition, but overall we find it to be a useful option.
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sillyfox - Tuesday, September 8, 2009 - link
The laptop is rather a good laptop except for short battery lifeI would love to order one battery replacement from: DELL Inspiron E1705 Battery http://www.hunt360.net/inspiron-e1705.htm">http://www.hunt360.net/inspiron-e1705.htm
Mday - Tuesday, June 6, 2006 - link
I received my 1705 today. HORRIBLE backlight bleeding from the bottom and left side. Effectively the lower left corner is messed up. There is about a half inch border tapering to both corners on the bottom with the left corner having a similar effect moving up from the bottom.And backlight bleeding is not at all acceptable even if other models exhibit it. Minor bleeding is tolerable, but the one I received looks really bad.
jonbjerke - Monday, June 5, 2006 - link
I wish this article came out a month ago - I ordered my video card with the x1400. So far I haven't had any video issues - but the most advanced game I play is Civ4. Can you use the regular ATI Catalyst drivers, or do you need to wait for the Dell issued versions?Is there a FAQ somewhere on the upgrade options for video card/CPU?
Nfarce - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
A month ago I bought a 1705 with coupon codes from Dealcatcher.com and paid about $1350 to the door. Here are the specs:- 1.83
- x1400
- 1GB 533
- 80GB 7200
- WUGXA
I wish I had waited for this article, because I realize the mistake of not upgrading to a GeForce Go chipset. Memory upgrade to 2GB 667 or a larger 7200 drive and then eBay the spare parts? No problem. However, I thought down the road I could just NewEgg a GeForce upgrade. Apparently, that's not so easy. This laptop is used primarily as a mobile DVD watching/office app/video-pic editing machine. The few games I have loaded are of older engines like Return To Castle Wolfenstein, so I'm not having issues with the x1400 performance whatsoever.
That said, the WUGXA display has issues with reflection (not mentioned in the review). It's like black glass. At night though, especially while on an airplane, watching a movie on such a wuparse resolution is the bomb, especially when others are eyeballing it.
I'm disappointed that the video upgrade is not as easy as expected, but hey, I can always eBay this thing. Besides, as the article mentioned for others, my real gaming systems are desktops. But for portable gaming for those like me who are stuck in hotels on biz trips, these ain't too shabby.
There is no true replacement for desktop power, and IMO, it will be a long time coming before (if) it ever happens. You can only pack so much power in a small package. Portability has it's limitations, as it always has
araczynski - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
nice, but even if i was filthy rich i'd still have no use for it in terms of gaming, the only segment i see drooling on this is the one of college students, who typically don't have the luxury of large rooms where they can setup a real desktop solution (7.1 speakers, perhaps a projector, etc). They are also usually eager to get into debt.hardwareguy - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
I don't really understand why you turned off the sound in some game benchmarks. No one in the real world is going to turn off the sound to get better frame rates. I could understand in a sound card test maybe, but not when you're just looking at a video card or laptop.RedStar - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
On the Nvidia site:http://www.nvidia.com/page/go_7800gtx.html">http://www.nvidia.com/page/go_7800gtx.html
you will see that the ramdac is rated the same -- 400MHz NOT 260.
To me that is a serious underclock the same as apple did and got noted for.
Get the latest mobileforce drivers and you can get 366Mhz core optimum.
But with anandtech not even mentioning this and saying there are only 12 pixelpipes..when the reference data would seem to suggest otherwise, i need a definitive answer. I and a whole bunch of others have been trying to get the real deal on this laptop since january :)
What others:
well follow this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=3...">http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=3...
(prolly the best place to get info on the i9400/e1705)
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As to the person that said gamers who want DTR's is miniscule.... please! :)
Gamers very much do want to switch to laptops --and the latest lappies are starting to make that possible. Why sell gaming DTR versions (with a nice price premium) if there is no market for them? :))
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YES DELL has gotten a bad rap for support lately. That's why you buy several years of customer care warranty. You don't have to worry if something goes wrong. Paying for the kind of warranty that used to be free is but a sign of the current times for most companies.
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
This laptop has the GeForce Go 7800... *NOT* the GTX version. Big difference right there. The Go 7800 GTX packs more pipelines (24/8 pixel/vertex). Also, reporting RAMDAC speed is totally useless: everyone has 400 MHz RAMDACs these days. RAMDACs are used for converting your digital signal into an analog signal for your monitor. What you really want to know is the core clock speeds and RAM clock speeds.Dell could have used faster RAM and increased the core clock, but it would have been at the cost of battery life, heat, power requirements, and possibly stability. Whereas NVIDIA's reference chart indicates that the 7800 Go can have 1100 MHz RAM, the E1705 sets the RAM at 658 MHz. The core? NVIDIA reports 400 MHz and 16 pixel pipelines/6 vertex. Dell runs at 250 MHz, which makes it very slow. You can always try overclocking, of course, voltmodding, etc. If you get the core up to 400 MHz, it would be much better for gaming and possibly would make the 7900 GS less necessary. The GPU RAM speed is still going to be a limiting factor.
RedStar - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
i know it is the not the gtx version. Which is why i said the go 7800 and not the go 7800gtx :)from the only stats i could find at the time, i assumed that the go 7800 would be very much like the 7800 GT.
as you can see from the link...the go 7800 is rated at a core of 400 NOT 260!
:)
JarredWalton - Wednesday, May 31, 2006 - link
NVIDIA's rating of 400 MHz does not mean manufacturers have to run it that fast. The thermal spec of a 400 MHz G70 is going to be substantially higher than that of a 250 MHz version. If the laptop capable of handling such a graphics card? Almost certainly, but you would need to upgrade the power brick to the 130 W model if you want to be safe -- the current design already comes close to 90 W peak power draw, and increasing GPU clock speeds by 60% will almost certainly push it over the 90 W mark.