Lenovo ThinkStation P620 Review: A Vehicle for Threadripper Pro
by Dr. Ian Cutress on February 16, 2021 9:30 AM ESTSystem Tests: Dual Channel vs 8-Channel
For testing the processor at full glory, head on over to our review of the AMD Threadripper Pro 3995WX, which shows all the data with respect to other CPUs when it is fully enabled with eight memory modules – we go more in depth in our testing in that review, and the results of those tests and more can be found in our benchmark database, Bench. For this review, we’re doing something slightly different.
Our review sample from Lenovo was shipped with two 16 GB modules of DDR4-3200 ECC, enabling only dual channel memory. The list price difference between a 2x16 GB arrangement and an 8x16 GB arrangement if you buy modules from the open market is $600-$1000 depending on where it is sourced. At the rates that Lenovo buys the memory, this is more likely to be nearer $200-$300. So why did Lenovo skimp on the memory for a system that is sold for nearer $20000? I have no idea. But the performance difference is so much more than the 1% price increase of filling it full of memory. This is something I want to report on, because it matters.
We’ve asked Lenovo in the past why they ship review systems with fewer memory modules than at least one module per channel. The response usually boils down to ‘that is how our customers buy them’ or ‘it doesn’t matter for benchmarks like SPECviewperf’. Of the other media who were sampled this system, we know at least two others were similarly sampled with only two memory modules, both in the US, whereas our European counterparts were shipped with all eight modules, likely down to how each region manages review samples. Luckily Kingston came in to save the day, and supplied sixteen of their 16 GB KSM32RD8/16ME DDR4-3200 RDIMMs for all of our server testing.
But we want to compare the difference between a dual channel system, and proper system performance. Rather than offer a dozen pages showing all our test results, we’ll list the separate the sections we test, and score how many benchmarks are affected by the memory difference for a given percentage, along with notable highlights.
Benchmark Results
8-Channel Benefits over 2-Channel | |||||
AnandTech | # Tests in Segment |
# Tests > 103% of 2-Ch |
# Tests < 97% of 2-Ch |
Average % |
Highlight |
Rendering | 11 | 2 | 0 | +1% | Corona, +7.5% |
Office | 3 | 1 | 1 | +2% | Agisoft, +8% |
Science | 9 | 6 | 1 | +53% | yCruncher MT, +212% |
Simulation | 5 | 1 | 0 | +10% | DigiCortex, +47% |
Encoding | 8 | 6 | 0 | +34% | 7z Encode, +135% |
Legacy | 10 | 0 | 0 | Equal | - |
Web | 3 | 0 | 0 | Equal | - |
OpenSSL | 8 | 0 | 0 | Equal | - |
SPEC2006 ST | 18 | 3 | 0 | +2% | 470.lbm, +10% |
SPEC2017 ST | 22* | 3 | 1 | +1% | 549.fotonik3d +13% |
SPECviewperf | 8 | 1 | 0 | +1% | Maya, +5% |
Total | 105 | 25 | 2 | +15% | - |
*521.wrf_r doesn't run in our suite due to WSL limitations |
Overall, we’re seeing +15% uplift with the 8-channel configuration. But that’s skewed by several super high results:
- yCruncher MT: +212%
- AES: +62%
- DigiCortex: +47%
- NAMD: +39%
- 7-zip Overall: +31%
- AIBench: +29%
- WinRAR: +23%
If we move to an even tighter 1% margin, then more than 50% of our tests still fall within that +/- of 1% (55/105).
To the point of rendering programs and SPECviewperf, having eight channels of memory doesn't make a difference to performance. As we discussed in our Threadripper Pro 3995WX review, the key market for these processors is the rendering market. For most of our rendering tests, we didn’t see that much difference between 8-channel and 2-channel, with the most notable being the Corona renderer. Similarly if we look at SPECviewperf, overall results are comparable – 8-channel is +1% higher in SPECviewperf overall. This would tend to agree with Lenovo’s line of reasoning, that certain customers are more concerned about memory capacity and performance, than filling up the memory channels.
However, if the workload is encoding (+34% gain) or science (+53%) gain, then that memory upgrade is crucial to the performance of this system.
The full run-down of the side-by-side tests can be found in our benchmark database.
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HyperText - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
Nice to see AMD in more and more systems!(and we have subtly been rickrolled.)
Jorgp2 - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
Was going to mention that.YB1064 - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
I wish there were a 20Gbps USB-C or Thunderbolt 4 ports instead of the 10 Gbps USB-C. Apart from this minor quibble, this is a solid buy.atlr - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
The motherboard drawing in the P620 Hardware Maintenance Manual shows a Thunderbolt controller header. I wonder if a Gigabyte Titan Ridge is compatible. Or if Lenovo will offer a Thunderbolt 4 add-in card.Frontinus - Tuesday, March 2, 2021 - link
I managed to get the Gigabyte GC-Titan Ridge 2.0 Thunderbolt 3 controller working in my P620 Thinkstation for a high-speed Samsung X5 drive. The Thunderbolt header doesn't work yet because there's not yet a BIOS Thunderbolt option (Lenovo are apparently working on that and will bring out a refresh), but you can get round it by shorting a couple of pins on the card's header cable.See:
https://forum.level1techs.com/t/thunderbolt-3-with...
DanNeely - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
I'm bemused that having decided to include an optical drive, they're only offering DVD and not Blueray.notb - Wednesday, February 17, 2021 - link
Why would you need a Blu-ray reader on a workstation? You have a collection of software on BR disks or what?Aspernari - Saturday, February 27, 2021 - link
Yes, why on a $20,000+ workstation, would you splurge the extra $20 to get a Blu-Ray reader?riccardik - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
single channel in the base model, with threadripper pro... ridiculous, its bad for lenovo to even allow it without any kind of warningDanNeely - Tuesday, February 16, 2021 - link
Yeah. The 12 core model might not benefit much from having all 8 channels filled; but even it would benefit from filling at least 2.Looking on Newegg the specific type of ram they're using (DDR4-3200 ECC RDIMM) doesn't come in anything smaller than 8gb; although if you're willing to accept slowing down to 2400 4gb modules exist. The 8gb dimms should be the default for 64GB or below configurations. (Not sure about the slower 4gb modules for the bottom of the config chart.) These systems mostly aren't going to be sold to people ordering the minimum ram config because they want to save a few percent off the sticker price by swapping their own in, or are gimping the initial ram load with the intent of adding more in a few months when their cashflow improves.