Conclusion & End Remarks

Coming to the end of the review, we’re come to know to interesting devices from LG. The V60 and Velvet are two quite different devices that contrast LG’s seeming transition in device design, and for the most part, I’ve come to a generally positive impression from both phones.

Starting off with the LG V60, the first thing that is striking about the phone is that it’s a very non-contemporary design. Whilst most other manufacturers in 2020 have opted for curved screens and hole-punch front camera phones, LG has instead opted to seemingly remain in the past with a thick-bezeled notch design with a 2018-esque chamfered metal frame. Design is subjective, and practically besides of the ergonomics of a phone of this size, there’s nothing much wrong about keeping things simple like this – I’m pretty sure even a lot of people will enjoy the flat screen.

LG’s choice to go with a lower resolution screen when compared to the V50 is odd if one wouldn’t be familiar with LG past issues with battery life. I think the mobile division’s choice in downgrading the resolution is pretty much an admission that LG’s display division isn’t able to provide them with an efficient 1440p panel. I think this downgrade, as much as it’s painful for display fidelity, is the much better choice for the V60 as it finally solves the battery problem, and combined with the Snapdragon 865 and a 5000mAh makes the V60 amongst the longest lasting devices on the market today.

The lack of a high refresh-rate panel is a pity in 2020 – so that’s one of the compromises one has to make when going with the phone. Another big weakness is colour accuracy, and the V60 here is just horrible, but sadly we’ve come to expect that from LG phones.

Performance of the phone is great thanks to the S865 – it’s on par with other devices and results in a good user experience. I feel like LG’s software here can use a ton more polish in terms of their animations and general snappiness, but it’s not the phone itself which lacks processing power.

On the camera side of things, LG’s daylight pictures are excellent and easily amongst the top performers on the market. I really love what they did with the 64MP main camera sensor and it really is very detail-rich with good processing. The biggest weakness is low-light photography when it gets darker beyond a certain point, and the company’s lack of a proper computational photography night mode means it can’t compete with the rest of the pack when it gets very dark.

The LG Velvet is an interesting phone. First of all, LG’s redesign is a resounding success, and this is by far the sexiest LG phone we’ve come to experience in years. The company has always tried to be different in terms of their designs, but to be honest, there’s only so many ways to design a glass sandwich slab. For me the ergonomics of the phone are infinitely better than the V60 even though both devices share the same screen diagonal.

It’s also a 1080p screen, but here given that it’s a upper-mid-range / premium positioned device, I feel that it’s adequate enough for its class.

The Snapdragon 765 is new for a lot of people, and whilst it’s not my first encounter with the SoC, it’s the first comparison I was able to make against the S865 against a device from the same vendor, meaning the software stack and optimisations are similar. The end-result is probably a bit more disappointing than I had hoped it to be: On the CPU side, the chip generally performs in-between a Snapdragon 845 and a Snapdragon 855. Whilst I would no way say that it’s a bad user experience, there’s a clear difference in performance to the flagship V60.

On the GPU side, I feel like the difference is quite bigger, and here the phone performs in-between a Snapdragon 835 and 845 flagship phones when it comes to the performance, almost 2.5x slower than the Snapdragon 865 powered V60. That’s quite a starker difference, and if you’re a heavy gamer, it might not be the wisest purchase, versus say, just buying an older flagship phone.

Camera wise, the Velvet actually performed very well, and its best characteristics are that the processing is extremely similar to that of the V60, which means it’s quite excellent. Of course, the inferior sensor does mean slightly less details, dynamic range, and low-light photography is still a no-go, but at this price range it’s still reasonable enough.

Availability Is The Handicap

The LG V60’s release price was $899 which actually undercut a lot of other Snapdragon 865 phones in the market at the time, at least Samsung’s devices. The phone’s strengths are its outstanding battery life and a strong daylight camera. Weaknesses are a more lacklustre screen and a worse very low-light camera system. Unique things about the phone are its inclusion of a 3.5mm headphone jack. In general, the competition at this price would the OnePlus 8 Pro, which admittedly just offers a much better overall package, only sacrificing some battery life and the 3.5mm jack. I feel like LG would need a $100 price cut to make the V60 a more rationalised purchase.

 

The LG Velvet comes in at 599€. Whilst the phone its generally good for its price-point, the biggest issue I have with these premium devices is that 90% of the time you’re just better off buying last year’s flagship phones. A Galaxy S10 right now undercuts the Velvet at 555€ whilst being a much better phone with a better display, more performance, and overall better camera system. The only thing where the Velvet really is able to claim victory over last year’s devices is its 5G connectivity which future-proofs the phone significantly. In that sense, I also feel that the device is slightly overpriced as-is, and a 100€ reduction would alleviate any hesitations for its purchase. OnePlus’s upcoming Nord device seemingly will have very similar specifications to the Velvet while we’re expecting it to come at a lower price as well.

 

LG’s biggest issues today however isn’t merely pricing, but also availability. The V60 was never released in Europe and in the US it’s most commonly available only from select carriers. My review unit is actually T-Mobile branded phone and it comes with the usual bloatware associated with that.

The Velvet just outright isn’t available in the US, so you’ll have no luck in getting a device there. The phone was recently released in Europe with wider availability, as you can for example just buy a unit off LG directly from Amazon for example.

Overall, both phones aren’t the most competitive phones, but they’re still LG’s best phones they have made to date, and are both definitive improvements of the company’s past attempts. Let’s hope the Velvet’s fresh redesign can also be applied to other future LG devices.

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  • rocketman122 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    "The Snapdragon 765"

    nope youre out. I had the g4. bootloop. now im using a v20. only because the battery swapping is awesome. shame they didnt continue with that. the rear camera glass is crap and cracks nonstop. this one reviewed will is also looking like it will break.

    shame. next phone....ta da asus rog 2. im done with LG.
  • Xex360 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    They made really interesting phones like the V20, now it's all garbage they look all like copies of cheap Chinese phones, to be fair it's the case of almost all phones now, less features and ugly screens, what we used to call dead pixels is now acceptable, people seem to be blind sheep now...
  • flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    It's just like the netbook phenomenon, they're making low-spec versions that LOOK like flagship phones, but selling them for full price!....and in this case "at zero dollars" when you purchase with a contract. So you're on the hook for $500 for a brand new crappy budget LG/Samsung phone with 3GB RAM specifically created for suckers like you.

    Yes consumers are really dumb, but review sites are the real guilty party.

    Nobody should have stood for $999-1400 phones, as consumers we make the economy turn, demand cheap $140 phones like the Realme X which isn't sold in the west, instead Oppo pushes their Reno/OnePlus for $500-1000 even though it's literally almost the exact same thing.

    Or $299 like the Nexus 5 or OnePlus 1.

    If the phone is $999+ it better be amazing and have a 5 year warranty at minimum.
  • Quantumz0d - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    Exactly. Apple dictates everything now, whatever they do gets free pass. A dead pixel zone for 3 years+ people are fine with that bullshit. And removal of I/O is also great, in computers like Macs, Soldered trash, Surface Book whatever that abomination is again lacking 3.5mm jack.

    Apple's democracy ruined the tech market, $200 earphones which are throwable after 1-2 years max same like a smartphone. What a bunch of bullshit.
  • Dave_S - Sunday, August 2, 2020 - link

    I still have the V10 and use the V20. Love both phones, hate the company that made em. Both those phones have a feature set that you cannot find in any other mobile except maybe the Chinese brands (that no one in the west wants a part of). QAD DAC, Removable batteries, 3.5mm Jack, IR Blaster, 2nd always-on-display, FM Radio, True Dual-sim+SD, rugged non-glass back, easily repairable. All great features that if a phone manufacturer reproduced today with upgrades to Processor, RAM, cooling, and display would be a Samsung killer for sure. But LG being such a dysfunctional company would find it impossible to pull off.
  • flyingpants265 - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    Just hijacking this comment to laugh at LG.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    SNAPDRAGON 765 FOR $599 or whatever insane price... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

    Try like $149!
  • Fulljack - Wednesday, July 22, 2020 - link

    cheapest SD765 is Redmi K30 5G at $220

    how you come up with arbitrary $149 baffles me
  • AdhesiveTeflon - Thursday, July 16, 2020 - link

    Yep I suffered 2 G4s with the boot loop, and my current G6's camera lens is broken (although it was -20F outside and in my pocket. I'm on the "never again" train too.
  • hanselltc - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    Just from the spec sheet alone, this already looks kinda disappointing. Good to see the battery gets better, but it took a 1080p60hz panel and a 5000Mah battery. V60 will remain one of the top choices for those wanting a headphone jack, but otherwise I don't see any reason to buy this over say an Oneplus. They *really* need to ditch LG displays.
  • TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, July 15, 2020 - link

    So other then great battery life and a headphone jack, you cant think why someone would want one of these over a oneplus.

    Seems like you have found two great reasons right there. And honestly, 1080p isnt enough on a sub 7" screen? I can barely tell the difference between 720p and 1080p at this size, let alone 1440p or higher. Just a ton of useless pixels you wont see 99% of the time draining the battery, which you WILL notice 99% of the time.

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