Centrino 2 Laptop Roundup

by Jarred Walton on October 24, 2008 3:00 AM EST

Conclusion

We finally got some retail Centrino 2 notebooks into our labs for testing. How much of a difference does Centrino 2 make? If the results didn't already make this clear, most of the improvements are hardly noticeable. The biggest change comes in terms of gaming performance on the G50V, but in that case it's simply a faster midrange GPU and has nothing to do with Centrino 2.

That doesn't mean that you shouldn't purchase a Centrino 2 notebook; we just wouldn't recommend replacing a recent laptop purely for the sake of getting Centrino 2. As we mentioned when Centrino 2 officially launched, the changes are hardly revolutionary. The new Intel 5100 WiFi Link wireless adapters in day-to-day use don't seem to be any different than the 4965AGN (none of the laptops we've seen have used the 5300 WiFi Link), so the only actual change comes from the updated chipset. A slightly faster front side bus, faster DDR2 or DDR3 memory, and improved deep sleep states on the CPU are all incremental steps forward, and the new Centrino 2 notebooks do appear to offer better battery life than older laptops; it's just that the difference isn't huge, particularly in light of what Apple does with battery life.

If you tend to carry your notebook from place to place and plug it in, battery life may not be a huge concern, but for people that truly like to be untethered (remember those old Intel Centrino ads?), let's put things in perspective. The 2008 Apple MacBook (standard model) is only slightly larger and heavier than the ASUS U6V, and it comes with a 45 Whr battery. We measured a battery life of 3.1 to 4.8 hours during normal use. With a slightly larger battery capacity, the ASUS U6V can only manage about two hours of video playback or 2.5 hours of Internet surfing.

Is this something that OS X manages to do superbly well and Vista just falls flat on its face? I can't say for sure, but for the price I would undoubtedly to go with an Apple MacBook or MacBook Pro if battery life is a primary concern. Honestly, we want our cake and we want to eat it too when it comes to laptop performance and battery life. We can't see any reason why battery life under OS X should be roughly double that of Windows Vista, and we're not entirely sure Windows Vista is that much worse than Windows XP. If you don't absolutely have to run Microsoft Windows, you should seriously consider the Apple MacBook laptops. (Or you could always get a MacBook and dual boot.)

Looking at the laptops we are reviewing today, where does that leave the ASUS U6V? It's stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place. This is an ultraportable laptop by every metric we can conceive of, but battery life is only slightly better than the much larger G50V - with the same size battery. Whatever the cause, we simply can't recommend a $1500 12.1" laptop that can't run typical office tasks for at least four hours before the (55 Whr) battery is dead. Apple has shown that it's possible to provide all of that in a notebook that weighs less than 4 pounds and costs less than $1500, so their competitors need to match that level of performance - or at the very least come close.

The ASUS G50V and HP dv5t are in a better position, since they offer reasonable gaming performance. Battery life is even worse, but at least in the case of the G50V we can state that it would be faster than anything Apple has to offer - and quite a bit cheaper than the MacBook Pro. An overclockable CPU, GeForce 9700M GT graphics, 4GB of RAM, and dual hard drives providing 500GB of storage for under $1600? Including a two-year warranty and one year of accident protection? That's actually a very good deal. We are still inclined to recommend the G50Vt for less money and better gaming performance, although again we would prefer if ASUS increased the price slightly and kept the WSXGA+ LCD panel.

As for the HP dv5t, the overall design is pretty nice but the 1280x800 LCD panel is nowhere near as good as the panel on the G50V. Contrast ratio is extremely poor, and anyone who dislikes reflective LCDs will probably find that the HP "designer glass" is as bad as the new MacBooks - although unlike Apple you can actually save $50 and get a regular glossy LCD where the glass doesn't extend to the borders of the laptop. Hopefully the 1680x1050 panel is better, but without testing it we can't say one way or the other. The true selling point of the HP dv5t is going to be the ability for users to customize the configuration. This may be one of the best gaming notebooks that HP manufacturers, but we would recommend something else for gaming, in which case you can get the dv5t with integrated GMA X4500 graphics and be fine. That will save you money and battery life should improve quite a bit as well. For around $1100, you can get a very good HP dv5t.

If you're keeping track of the latest in mobile hardware, you may have noticed that we still haven't reviewed any new Centrino 2 notebooks with integrated graphics. We have a review in the works, and battery life is improved quite a bit over the other midrange offerings we've tested. It still can't touch the MacBooks, but at least getting more than three hours of battery life is feasible. We're also still waiting for a notebook that allows users to switch between integrated and discrete graphics (similar to the MacBook Pro). We have another notebook that does feature that capability, but we're a little surprised that it isn't more of a gaming notebook. It seems to us that the best place for NVIDIA's Hybrid Power technology would be in laptops like the ASUS G50V/G50Vt or Gateway's P-7811 FX - again, we want to have our gaming performance without sacrificing the battery life cake. Otherwise, you might as well just stick with IGP, since the 9300M class hardware is only a small boost in performance over the X3100/X4500. We'll have to wait and see if anyone is willing to step up to the plate and offer such a notebook.

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  • JarredWalton - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    I chatted a bunch with ASUS on this; there was some confusion so I may have ended up with the wrong conclusion. (Yeah, marketing wasn't positive on the specs, and engineering didn't ever pass on the exact details.) I actually had a paragraph detailing the differences between the 9800M GTS and this supposed 9800M GS. Since I don't have one in my hands, I can't say one way or the other with certainty.

    The worst case would appear to be clock speeds equal to that of the 8800M GTS (500 core instead of 600 core on the 9800M GTS), which is still going to be a lot faster than these other notebooks. Since it's also limited to 1366x768, gaming performance should be no problem at native res... but there's a lot of headroom left untapped. Certainly, gaming performance won't be lower than the G50V tested here, unless the game happens to be CPU limited.
  • Enrox - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Take a look at the Gateway P-7811 battery's life: it's about 150 minutes regarless the task (DVD playback, web surfing, H.264 playback).
    That to me says only one thing: no power management in place.
    Is that a Vista issue or a BIOS issue?
  • JarredWalton - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Oh, the P-7811 is definitely doing *something* - though idle battery life is lower than I'd expect relative to the others. Actually, I think it's more that the P-7811 is doing quite well in other tasks. Remember: 17" 1920x1200 LCD, 7200 RPM HDD, and a 9800M GTS put it at a much higher power envelope than most of the other laptops. Relative to the P-6831 and m15x, the results seem to be right where you'd expect. If only Gateway had implemented Hybrid Power....
  • jonmcc33 - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Did you verify that with the Power Saver setting that EIST was working properly? Use CPU-Z or similar to see if the clock speed of the FSB and CPU does change as it should. Check the BIOS settings as well.
  • CU - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Yes it would be interesting to know what the cpu, gpu, fsb, and ram clocks are at when in power saving mode for Vista and OSX.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    CPU speed drops to a 6X multiplier, so at least that aspect is working. Looking at the voltages (according to CPU-Z), they're all at 1.083V except for the G50V, which runs at 1.338V most of the time. (I'm still trying to figure out what's going on there and will update when I know more.) I'm not as concerned with G50V battery life, though, since it's in a different class of performance and size; it's the U6V and similar notebooks that need to do a lot better.

    Regarding RAM, GPU, and FSB, the FSB stays locked at the base speed - 1066 MHz on the Centrino 2 notebooks. RAM likewise stays at a set speed, in this case 800 MHz. 2D GPU clocks (according to GPU-Z) are 169 MHz core, 200 MHz (100 base) VRAM on all three of these notebooks. GPU-Z also reports a memory clock of 800 MHz (400 base) for the HP dv5t, which seems wrong - I though the 9600M GT was supposed to be much faster RAM, but apparently not.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Update: The G50V was back on "High Performance" mode after rebooting (an issue with some of the ASUS software). Setting it back to "Balanced" or "Power Saver" dropped the CPU voltage to the expected voltage - though still slightly higher than the others at 1.063V.
  • fabarati - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Asus is known for their crappy batterylife in the latest generation. When compared to equal or even better specced laptops, they fall flat on the ground. It's probably because of bad ACPI coding. My F8Sa has worse battery life than my old A8Js, despite having less powerhungry parts. And the A8Js had mediocre batterylife (I reached about 3½ hours, with hardware disabled). I can barely break 2 hours, and that's when I disable hardware.

    The HP DV5 seems to suffer from the same issue, at least that's the conclusion we came to when it was tested by NBR.
  • JarredWalton - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    I haven't tested a comprehensive selection of laptops by any means, but if you look at the specs for the various laptops and the resulting Minutes/Whr chart you can see that if this is bad ACPI coding the practice extends far beyond just ASUS and HP. If the MacBook Pro was around 3 or 4 Min/Whr, I'd think maybe it was just some fine tuning that was missing, but it's still literally double what the closest tested Vista laptop managed.

    The best result I've personally seen on Vista to date is the http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.aspx?i=328...">ASUS U2E, which manages 3.72 Min/Whr with the 86.5 Whr battery. That's a lot closer than the other laptops, but keep in mind that has a U7500 CPU (10W max TDP), X3100 IGP, and an SSD, plus an 11.1" LED LCD.

    Another 15.4" laptop I'm currently testing with T7250 and X4500 graphics (plus 4GB RAM, 250GB 5400RPM HDD) manages 4.18 Min/Whr, which is closer to Apple. Still, that's a 50% advantage for the MacBook, so it's not really *that* close. (It gets 204 minutes of battery life in our web surfing test.)
  • nizanh - Friday, October 24, 2008 - link

    Can't you just install Vista on one of the MacBooks?
    Sounds to me like the best testing methodology.

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