AVADirect M570RU: SLI, Drivers, and 8800M GTX Performance
by Jarred Walton on March 14, 2008 6:00 AM EST- Posted in
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A Word about Drivers
One of the big problems we often have with gaming notebooks is driver support. If you go out and buy desktop system -- regardless of the manufacturer -- you can be relatively sure that you will always be able to get graphics card driver updates from NVIDIA or AMD. We've seen a few instances where support was lacking -- Quad-SLI support on Windows Vista certainly comes to mind -- but outside of truly exotic systems users are usually assured that they won't have to wait on an OEM to update drivers. Unfortunately, the same definitely doesn't apply to notebooks.
Perhaps our worst experience with a notebook was last summer when we tested Toshiba's X205 "gaming notebook" with the then-new GeForce 8700M GT. We encountered at least one game that simply refused to run (Bioshock), in performance and quite a few other titles was lower than we would have expected. The biggest problem was that the most recent graphics drivers were several months old... and if you visit the Toshiba website, you'll find that the drivers still haven't been updated. Lest it sound like we're harping on Toshiba, we should also mention that we've heard complaints from regarding older Dell XPS notebooks and several other gaming notebooks.
Gaming notebooks are quite expensive, and it's not difficult to imagine the frustration a user with experience if their one-year-old $4000 notebook suddenly couldn't load up their most recent game purchase. One option is to simply go out and get hacked drivers to see if they will work on your system. LaptopVideo2Go is a site we have used in the past, but definitely be prepared for mixed results. The problem is that they seem to base their NVIDIA drivers off the desktop driver updates, which may or may not have all of the mobile performance enhancements present. One simple example is the 174.20 drivers that did so well on the Dell XPS M1730; we installed the hacked LV2G 174.20 (and 174.16) drivers on the AVADirect notebook, and promptly watch performance in most games drop by half, sometimes more!
We asked NVIDIA about their stance on hacked drivers. They certainly don't support them out right, and they don't necessarily recommend them. Still, they also don't intend to shut down the operation; NVIDIA has a limited amount of manpower, like any company, so for users that are willing to take a chance on drivers that may be very beta in nature (or in some cases alpha), it's nice to have that option. At the end of the day, however, hacked drivers are often like Frankenstein: powerful in some areas and lobotomized in others. Use at your own risk.
So if you don't want to run hacked drivers, what are you supposed to do? NVIDIA has been working to improve the situation on mobile gaming notebooks by offering beta drivers for participating notebooks. This is a relatively recent addition, with the first release available since December 2007. Our understanding is that the Toshiba X205 and Dell XPS notebooks we mentioned above are supported by the beta drivers. If you have a gaming notebook from another vendor that uses a GeForce Go 7 series or a GeForce M 8 series, you might want to check out NVIDIA's beta driver section. Unfortunately, there are a couple of major omissions.
Since this is a new project, not all hardware is supported on all current operating systems. In fact, the support is quite limited: GeForce Go 7 series drivers are available for Windows XP/XP-64 - and Linux oddly enough -- but not for Windows Vista. Conversely, GeForce M 8 series drivers are available for Windows Vista 32/64-bit (and Linux again) but not for XP. GeForce 8800M hardware is not currently supported with any of the beta drivers, as it didn't become available until early 2008, just missing the December 2007 deadline.
Going forward, NVIDIA's plan is to improve the number of operating systems and hardware combinations that are supported with each driver release. Hopefully, we will see GeForce Go get some Windows Vista drivers with the next release. Releases should come roughly once per quarter, with the next driver update scheduled for April 2008 (but that may change slightly as they are still working out some kinks in the pipes). Rest assured, we understand the importance of drivers and so does NVIDIA; we hope the notebook manufacturers also realize how critical graphics drivers are for gaming notebooks and encourage them to join NVIDIA's "beta" mobile driver list if they aren't already participating.
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docjon - Monday, March 17, 2008 - link
So let me see if I understand this correctly, Nvidia will not be offering mobile drivers to the public but will make them available to the vendor who can validate them and then offer them to their customers on their web site? ie through Dell?JarredWalton - Monday, March 17, 2008 - link
See above. There will still be official driver updates from the vendors after validation, presumably - or at least, they'll come as often as they have in the past. :)docjon - Saturday, March 15, 2008 - link
Jared,How about a link to the beta drivers? I checked the nvidia web site and can't find the 174.20 drivers you used.
JarredWalton - Saturday, March 15, 2008 - link
The 174.20 drivers were directly from NVIDIA but they are still undergoing testing and validation. The plan was to hopefully have those available (well, an updated version that addresses a few things probably) within the next month. Note that the LaptopVideo2Go 174.xx drivers are not the same, as those are based off the desktop parts and lack mobile optimizations as far as I can see.ap90033 - Saturday, March 15, 2008 - link
When they finally are on Nvidia's website, will they only work for 8800M GTX's or will they also work for 8800M GTS's? I have a P6831FX Gateway and would love some newer drivers. :)JarredWalton - Saturday, March 15, 2008 - link
My understanding is that the next "Mobile Driver Update" from NVIDIA will cover all GeForce M chips on Vista 32-bit/64-bit for participating vendors. So that means the Gateway FX, Toshiba X205, Dell XPS, and various Clevo notebooks should all work with the beta driver. Probably some others as well. I *hope* that they get GeForce Go support on Vista as well with the next driver, and likewise I would appreciate seeing new XP drivers for both Go and M series cards.docjon - Monday, March 17, 2008 - link
So these drivers will not be offered by nvidia to the general public but will be made available to dell to offer after they validate them?JarredWalton - Monday, March 17, 2008 - link
No, the "Mobile Gaming Drivers" or whatever you want to call it are going to be available from NVIDIA. The last release came just before 8800M launched, so it only supports up through the 8700M. They also didn't cover all GPUs on all OSes - so 8400-8700M got Vista drivers and GeForce Go 7xxx got XP drivers.The laptop vendors do have to agree to participate - so Dell pretty much tells NVIDIA it's okay if they release a driver that will work with the XPS laptops, as an example. Note that this is not just a vendor decision; it's a model decision as well. So while Dell is okay with "beta" drivers direct from NVIDIA for their XPS (gaming) laptops, they don't want beta drivers for Inspiron or Latitude laptops.
Normally, notebook vendors do not allow manufacturers to release "reference" updated drivers that support the mobile chipsets, which is why we see stuff like LaptopVideo2Go.com. Well, this is a step back from that stance, but only for laptops where updated video drivers are a major concern. Thus, the vendors still have to give NVIDIA permission to release the drivers to the public. Make sense?
builtone2many - Friday, March 14, 2008 - link
Great article. Kind of curious about the casing in the pictures. The latest version from Clevo for systems with X9000 processors has a slightly different casing, labled "Extreme Edition", with an additional molded section on the bottom to provide for better ventilation around the CPU. Wonder if AVA is shipping old case versions?JarredWalton - Saturday, March 15, 2008 - link
Thanks for the comments. I've had this system for about a month, and it's pre-release. It could be that the final shipping models will cool the CPU better, have a working overclock for X9000, and not be as loud at idle. I can only hope so.