Dual CPU Database Server Comparison
by Johan De Gelas on December 2, 2004 12:11 AM EST- Posted in
- IT Computing
More about the servers in this test
A few months ago, I contacted a few server manufacturers, namely IBM, Dell, HP and SUN. I wanted to compare the reference servers of Intel and AMD to the real machines on the market.At that time, the responses of the different manufacturers were surprising. While I asked for a database server system and did not specify whether it should be Xeon or Opteron, HP immediately sent their DL-585 and DL-145. This was surprising, since those two Opteron systems were marketed as HPC solutions, and more targeted toward scientific applications. HP's database servers were, in fact, all Xeon-based solutions.
Sun was also pretty enthusiastic about this test, and they sent us their v20z. Dell told us that they were not got going to send a machine. This was understandable, since the 3.6 GHz Xeon Nocona was not yet available. The Xeon DP "Gallatin" 3.2 GHz with 2 MB L3-cache, which used to be a Xeon MP, was Intel's fastest offering in the dual Xeon scene. To be honest, I did not see the problem. I expected that a 3.2 GHz Xeon with such a large 2 MB L3-cache to do well in our database server tests.
The fact that Dell didn't want to join the test illustrates clearly that, at that point in time, even Intel's best ally recognized the potential of the newly introduced Opteron 250. This is also a reason why you will find only two Intel servers in this test. We are confident that this will change in our future projects.
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Decoder - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
davesbeer: "MS is a joke".You don't know jack about enterprise IT. Mostly of the financial services industry (FSI) companies run on both UNIX and Windows. Some FSI companies have standardized on .NET and SQL Server. I know this because i work in this industry. MS is no joke. MS.NET is no joke and i can assure you MS SQL Server 2005 is no joke. $ for $, MS products deliver more value and ease of use/development/admin then anything else out there. x86-64 will help MS win over some of the 64-bit enterprise computing deals as well. MS is in the best position ever.
davesbeer - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
I had great faith in Anandtech... until this article... not the hardware aspect but the software aspect...I never see MySql in competition... MS is a joke... known for cheap but not reliable or scalable.. DB2 is the only competition to Oracle but it is not the same database on differing platforms therefor has huge problems for customers.. Only Oracle allows you to move from one platform to another with minimal changes... Oracle is the leader in the DB market.. Gartner includes NON relational database in IBM's numbers which inflates them. Oracle commands about 70% in the Unix space and quite frankly is retaking significant ground in the Windows space with the low cost SE1 DB options.. Interesting to note that IBM benches its hardware with Oracle and not DB2..... The only thing software correct was the fact that Linux is extremely important to all the vendors and becoming more important to corporations...
Puppetman - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
#32 - Oracle prohibits you from posting benchmarks in their licensing agreement that you have to sign to get a copy of the software, I believe.I guess this is partly because it's so complicated to set up (MySQL is easier, but tuning is still an issue).
I would have liked to have seen Postgres 7 and 8 tested. PostgresQL has the features of Oracle, and 8.0 has some pretty impressive performance numbers (the optimizer seems to be much better than the 7.4 optimizer, in my limited tests).
David
Puppetman - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
They used a 32-bit version of MySQL 3.23, when a 64-bit version of 4.0 or 4.1 are available.No statement as to the storage engine used in MySQL (ISAM, MyISAM, InnoDB, BDB, etc), but all the big sites using MySQL (Google, Yahoo, etc) use the InnoDB engine, as it provides ACID transactions, tablespaces, foreign keys, etc.
These tests are like testing a Pentium 4 3.4ghz EE CPU with Windows 98.
mbhame - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
Would've been nice to see some Oracle and SQL Server benches!lindy - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
Our people soft environment consists of a application/web server running on Windows 2000 up front, with a SUN UNIX server running Oracle on the back end. In Nov-Dec the database server is busy…review/pay raise time of the year. The rest of the year it hums along.We have mostly two tier applications, WEB or Application up front on a server, database in the back on a server. However lots of turn key solutions like our Crystal Reports server and our Remedy server are an application on top of MS SQL….so essentially database servers.
Exchange is a beast, every user hits our single Exchange 2003 server….1600+ users with a total 300+ gigs of email. You are right it’s basically a database server with the Exchange application sitting on top of it…..there is no way to separate it. Exchange 2003 would be a great test for you as there are lots of load simulators for it out there that can simulate many users pounding it.
Why use a NAS when you have a SAN? Our 2 big Windows storage server 2003 file servers use a SAN for their 2 terabytes of data. These servers are backed up over fiber to a tape silo attached to the SAN. It’s about the fastest backup solution out there today. To your point the data on those file servers are slowly moving to a sharepoint solution which is a WEB server up front, and a big MS SQL database in the back….a pretty big paradigm shift.
Anyhow good article, and happy holidays!!!
tygrus - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
What was the MySQL scalling like with the Opterons?Other OS's, other DBMS, MS Server 2003, MS SQL ?
Nocona ?
4-way intel vs 4-way AMD ?
While it's nice to isolate the CPU performance, I would like to see some more variety and real life tests for the next edition. Part of a DB server is the IO handling and disk sub-system. Try to set them up with same (best) SCSI drives (SCSI RAID card ? on-board, OEM best or after market?). A few more serach, report, maintenance and data mining tasks would be nice. Capacity and expansion options (and cost) for more disks and backup.
The other thing is that less CPU % usage for a given workload will reduce latency for potentially greater productivity. You don't want a DB server running at >50% for most of the time for speed, reliability, transaction growth, DB growth, emergency capacity. If it was <50% then failure of a CPU or it's associated memory (for Opterons) then the server ccould be run without it. I'm not saying that the system would be limited by disk IO to have that CPU <50% but that the system as a whole would be running at half its peek.
Scali - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
This is nice, but I still miss a few configurations that I would be interested in... For starters, Xeons running in 64 bit mode... And I also wonder how Windows would perform. Windows may scale quite differently from 1 to 4 or more CPUs, and HyperThreading may have a different impact aswell (especially with Windows XP or 2003, which have special scheduling strategies for HyperThreading).I hope that these will be covered in future benchmarks. They will put these results in a new perspective.
Bonebardier - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
I know, why don't I give my posts more thought - sorry Anand, I got my Tyan model numbers mixed up! The board used does of course show Opteron off to its best.Here's my sign!
Bonebardier - Friday, December 3, 2004 - link
Yet another AMD vs. Intel review that handicaps the AMD contender unduly - why was the Opteron platform equipped with a K8W, when a K8S Pro would have provided double the memory bandwidth, or have I answered my own question?I'm looking at building an Opteron based server and would never dream of providing it with only a single bank of dual-channel RAM shared between the two, certainly not when a board is available that allows each processor to have it's own bank of DC RAM, which can be shared with the other processor if needed. Database apps are precisely the type of app that would benefit from this.
Come on Anand - give your articles the thought they deserve, unless this one was just an Intel Nocona advert......